Automobile engine coolant systems provide a practical example of a liquid-thermal expansion problem. If the radiator is filled with coolant when the engine is cold, it will overflow when the engine heats during operation. In older Morgans, the excess fluid produced by the hot temperatures was released onto the ground. frequent checking of the coolant level and periodic replacement is needed to avoid overheating on these cars. Many owners have retro fitted tanks.
Newer or updated cooling systems have a container (tank) that either;
1. collects the released fluid that occurs with thermal expansion in the pressurized system and returns it to the radiator as the engine cools after operation creating a vacuum and sucking the fluid back in through a valve in the cap (aka RECOVERY TANK).
2. It is pressurized with the system and allows the fluid to expand into the container when the extra space is needed. (aka an EXPANSION TANK)
These designs both improve coolant systems and reduce the number of times the coolant fluid level must be checked (and avoids the expense of replacing costly antifreeze material mixed with the radiator fluid).
The biggest panic is at the start. People don't fill their cooling systems when their engines are hot, they fill them when their engines are cold..to the top. They start'em up, heat to running temp (a jump of 80C or so) and make puddles for a few days. It is unsettling and embarrassing but harmless (except to the environment).
How to install an overflow tank
An overflow tank is installed by finding a place to bolt or screw it to the inner fender of the car. The radiator overflow vent hose is then routed to the overflow tank and inserted into it. You will still need to keep an eye on the coolant level in the radiator and keep it topped up to ½” to 1” below the bottom of the filler neck.
How to install an expansion tank
The expansion tank is installed exactly as the overflow tank is, but should be located about the level of the radiator header tank. The radiator pressure cap is replaced with a blanking cap and the expansion tank should have the proper pressure cap for your system used on it. The overflow line from the radiator filler neck is routed to the expansion tank. Hose clamps need to be used on this line, as it now becomes a pressure carrying line rather than an overflow line. The overflow line is the one on the filler neck of the expansion tank and it has a hose attached to it that vents to the atmosphere just as the conventional radiator overflow hose does. The radiator is filled to the bottom of the filler neck and the expansion tank is filled about one half full. The use of this system will add about one pint of coolant to the system, not normally an significant amount. After 200,000 Morgan miles of experience, I tend to favor an expansion tank. See below.
a big Plus 8
by Lorne Goldman on eMog
Recovery or expansion systems (different things) create a hopefully perpetual cooling function. It allows the car to encounter a wide range of ambient temperatures and driving conditions. In our case, ambient temps vary widely in a single trip. -10C to +40C is not unusual. As well, engine temperatures are also a function of bhp. The more you have, the more heat your engine will produce under load. I have Plus 8s (4.6 and 4.8, on cams) Yet I have found a happy recipe for all-weather cooling.
1. A bigger more efficient rad. I am not enthralled with those with a deeper core or many more fins. My experience of that is that they make it harder for a good air flow to pass through and too much gets deflected. The newest Mulberry rads are ideal. Longer and thinner. That means a bigger rad without prejudicing airflow and leaving plenty of room for a big fan.
2. Big fan. Something that pulls a LOT of air. I use a
SPAL. So does the Factory. They pull an immense amount of air for their
diameter, a must in a Morgan. Take care in the installation, the right
SPAL can pull as much as 20+ amps and will require an MUCHLY UPGRADED 30
amp inline fuse, a relay and an alternate power connection (as the Morgan
wiring is not rated that high, the wires can burn. Install separate wiring
for the power and take the current from the alternator to the power side
of the relay).
WATCHPOINTS: When they first switched to SPAL, the MMC simply changed the fan fuse (at the fuse box) to 30 amps. However, the wiring to the fan was not upgraded to support this much amperage and the wire would melt. This, of course, made the fan non-functioning and that caused some serious sadness to owners (and their engine). They did upgrade the wiring but they kept using regulars 30 amp relays. With these, sooner or late, the relay will fail and the fan will stop functioning or function continually. The best solution is to use the SPAL wiring kit, the one they insist on using if you have any of their performance fans. The part number for the entire kit (which includes items you do not need) is # FRH-HO-K. Call them up and get a price on the relay and its wiring alone.
3. Big expansion tank, 1.5 liters. (I like expansion better than recovery, less complicated, a bit more fluid in the system and easier to work with when the engine is hot. I have a Mulberry on one car and a Jeg's on the other. I do not shirk on size. They are both large (1 to 1.5 liters) The Mulberry is canted at the bottom so that it sits vertically on the Morgan bulkhead.
4. I use a 15-16 pound cap.
This combo gets us through absolutely any ambient or traffic or driving condition without a problem.
Flushing the Plus 8 Cooling System
Flushing your coolant system should be part of your regular maintenance. I do so every 2 years or 20,000 kms. (Being a valuable hobby cars, I treat my Morgans well.) I test my coolant at every service and/or change the coolant at the intervals suggested by the coolant company I choose. For coolant I use a brew of 50-50 distilled water to GM Long Life with a bottle of RedLine WaterWetter.
It is not necessary to change the coolant with every cooling system flush unless warranted by your tester of coolant manufacturer service interval.
To flush a Plus 8, I normally do the rad and engine separately. You will need a new thermostat gasket.
1. With the engine cold, remove the rad cap.
2. Place a sufficiently larger container to catch the coolant and open the water cock at the bottom of the rad.
3. Drain the coolant and save if it is still to be used.
4. Detach the top hose from the engine.
5. Detach the bottom hose from the rad
6. Run a garden hose into the rad and run for 20 minutes
and the water is clear.
1. Remove the thermostat housing and thermostat. (This would be a good time to change to a fail-safe thermostat if you do not or are not sure you have one. These can only fail open and never when closed, thus eliminating any possibility of a sad disaster in the future.)
2. Open the water cocks on both sides of the engine (same place). This is the proper way of flushing. However, there is not a huge prejudice caused if you don't remove them on the principle that it is better to do a non-perfect flush than none at all.
3. Run the garden hose into the bottom rad hose and let it stream for 20 minutes and the water is running clear. This direction runs the water in the same way the coolant flows when the engine is running and is a safe bet. Running it the opposite way is a backflush. Whatever you do, always end with a flush in the direction of the coolant flow..
4. Button it all up and return the coolant to the engine..topping
up with what is needed.
Notes for a Triumph Plus 4
by Gerry Willburn
For starters, the earlier Plus 4s had a 4-6 pound cap, not 15.
Secondly, if you look at the radiator, there is quite a large air space above the highest level that you can fill through the filler. This is the problem.
As the car gets warm, the air and expands and forces water and air out of the overflow. When the car cools, AIR is sucked back into the radiator. This creates a positive feedback effect and after a few cycles, there is not enough water left in the radiator to cool the engine. Overheating.
There are two cures for this.
1. Check the water lever EVERY time the car is used (and watch your car pee on the pavement when you stop).
2. Fit a catch bottle.
When a catch bottle is used, the standard pressure cap remains on the radiator and a non-pressure cap (or no cap is used on the catch bottle). Now when the engine gets warm and belches air and water into the catch tank. When the car cools, WATER is sucked back into the engine. After a few cycles of this, nearly all of the air above the filler has been expelled and the radiator is FULL of water and only water flows back and forth between the radiator and the catch tank. No overheating. You just add water to the catch tank from time to time and NEVER take the cap off of the radiator. It you take the cap off of the radiator, the water filling the space above the filler will drain out the overflow into the catch tank and you must start the cycle over again. A catch bottle can be mounted anywhere. We mounted ours on the Valence Panel.
Expansion tanks are a different thing. They are
used on a sealed system and the pressure cap is on the expansion tank.
In fact, on most modern cars, there is no cap on the radiator itself.
The expansion tank is mounted at the highest point in the system so that
air in the system will migrate up to it.