The subject of
using an “overflow” tank is one that has
spawned much forum discussion and even more confusion. The
term “overflow” tank commonly has two different
meanings on forums. Meanings that are anything but the same.
overflow tank is simply an item added on after manufacture. It is
used with a conventional cooling system which consists of a
radiator, fit with a filler neck and sealed with the recommended
pressure cap. The system is filled through the filler neck.
When the coolant heats, it expands, increasing the system pressure above the pressure holding capability of the pressure cap (listed on the cap in PSI). The seal on the cap is forced upward and this allows the coolant to be vented out through the overflow vent which becomes exposed. The excess coolant vents either into the atmosphere or the ground. However, one can fit an overflow tank which catches the overflow. The overflow tank is under atmospheric pressure. The cooling system is under atmospheric pressure plus any extra pressure created by the heat expansion of the coolant.
As the cooling system begins to cool down, the internal system pressure drops until it allows the pressure cap spring to overcome the system pressure and the cap then seals the rad again when the coolant system pressure drops below the rated pressure of the pressure cap. Accordingly the cooling system pressure will always be either above the atmospheric pressure of the overflow tank until the pressure cap again seals and they are both at atmospheric pressure. So the flow of excess cooling can be in one direction and that is out into the overflow tank. The coolant which went into the overflow tank cannot flow back into the cooling system because nothing can flow from a lower pressure environment to a higher pressure environment.
Ergo, an overflow tank serves only to prevent coolant flow onto the ground or car where it can cause great mischief. If using an overflow system on an older car, please look at Gerry's article below. The level of the coollant must be checked before any usage.
An overflow tank is installed by finding a place to bolt or screw it. Try the valences (Inner wings) or the bulkhead. The radiator overflow vent hose is connected to the overflow tank. You will still need to keep an eye on the coolant level in the radiator and keep it topped up to ½” to 1” below the bottom of the filler neck. If any system is filled higher, it will be overfull and the excess coolant will be vented from the system.
An expansion tank (aka a recovery tank) is fit to sealed radiator. It either has no filler
neck or it is sealed with a blanking
cap which does not react to or produce pressure. It simply seals
the rad aside from the vent and hose to the expansion tank. The
remotely located expansion tank is fitted, and sealed with a pressure cap to
vent any excess pressure build up. The radiator and engine are
full of coolant and
the expansion tank is full from about 1/3 to 1/2l of coolant. The empty
portion of the tank serves the same purpose as the empty space we
used to leave i the old conventional rads header tank. The empty space
allows the air inside to be compressed to allow expanded coolant a
space to occupy. With this form of system, as the system pressure is
increased, excess coolant is forced out the radiator vent and into the
expansion tank. As system pressure drops, cooling is drawn back from the
expansion tank and back into the radiator and engine. When filling a rad with this type of system, fill to the very top!
If fitting an expansion tank to an older Morgan, install it exactly as the overflow tank above, but locate it about the level of the rad top section. The radiator
pressure cap is replaced with a blanking cap (looks like a rad cap but not spring or stopper on it) and the
expansion tank should
use the proper pressure cap for your system.. The overflow line from
the radiator filler neck is routed to the expansion tank. Hose clamps
now need to be used on this line, as you have made it into a pressure
carrying line rather than an overflow line. The expansion tnk overflow
line is the one on the filler neck of the expansion tank. It has a
hose attached to it that vents to the atmosphere just as the
conventional radiator overflow hose does BUT this should not be a
regular event as, once the system finds its balance, the excess coolant
with return to the rad and the engine..unlike before.
The radiator is filled to the very top and the expansion tank is
filled about 1/3 to 1/2 full. The use of this system will add about one
to one liter to the system. However, this will depend on the size of
the expansion tank and hose.
|WATCHPOINT ON WATERLESS COOLANTS: There
is less internet expertise
in the Morgan owners' community than there was once was. Lore and
experience is less accessible. There is also more of a predatory
the Morgan market and even on major forums. The cars suffer. I
will add "WATCHPOINTS" where I can.
One of the highly hyped offerings is waterless coolants. People forget that boiling ovver is an important symptom. The engine is running too hot. (duh!) This happens when a car's most important component, its motor, is poorly taken care of or the cooling system is inadequate. Waterless coolants not only normally cool less efficiently, they deny the owner the most important warning sign!
Some of you will be surprised to know that the best coolant is pure water. Sadly it is also corrosive and boils over at 100C..when most EFI cars are made to run hotter than that to reduce emissions. Pressurized rad caps and a mixture of water and a high quality coolant raises the boiling point and prevents corrrosion at a sacrifice to better cooling.
Plus 8 engines are not inherently heat prone. They have no such reputation except in early Morgan, Triumph and MG configurations. These companies opted for cheap cooling compromises because of space and budgetary considerations. Over time, the engines become poorly tuned or damaged becuaase of the heat and that leads to more frequent bolling over. They can be cured with care and common sense, not silliness.
After many years with a few Plus 8s I have found a happy recipe for all-weather cooling.
1. A bigger more efficient rad. I am not enthralled with those with a deeper core or many more fins. My experience of that is that they make it harder for a good air flow to pass through and too much gets deflected. The newest Mulberry rads are ideal. Longer and thinner. That means a bigger rad without prejudicing airflow and leaving plenty of room for a ...
2. Big fan. Something that pulls a LOT of air. I use a SPAL. So does, coincidently, the Factory. They pull an immense amount of air for their diameter, a must in a Morgan. Take care in the installation, the right SPAL can pull as much as 20+ amps and will require an MUCHLY UPGRADED 30 amp inline fuse, a relay and an alternate power connection (as the Morgan wiring is not rated that high, the wires can burn. Install separate wiring for the power and take the current from the alternator to the power side of the relay).
WATCHPOINTS: When they first switched to SPAL, the MMC simply changed the fan fuse (at the fuse box) to 30 amps. However, the wiring to the fan was not upgraded to support this much amperage and the wire would melt. This, of course, made the fan non- functioning and that caused some serious sadness to owners (and their engine). They did upgrade the wiring but they kept using regulars 30 amp relays. With these, sooner or late, the relay will fail and the fan will stop functioning or function continually. The best solution is to use the SPAL wiring kit, the one they insist on using if you have any of their performance fans. The part number for the entire kit (which includes items you do not need) is # FRH-HO-K. Call them up and get a price on the relay and its wiring alone.
3. Big expansion tank, 1.5 liters. A bit more fluid in the system and easier to work with when the engine is hot. I have a Mulberry on one car and a Griffin on the other. I do not shirk on size. They are both large (1 to 1.5 liters) The Mulberry is canted at the bottom so that it sits vertically on the Morgan bulkhead and that forces more air into it. Admittedly the RDR (RON Davis Racing) rads cool better than the Griffin, but they are diffiuclt to fit because of their depth in the case of my bigger Plus 8..
4. Cap Presssure I use a 15-16 pound cap.
5. Coolant Mixture I have favorite brew I use and have personally tested that actually DOES cool a bit better than the "best" (2C) and stands up longer.
This combo gets us through absolutely anything without a problem, at least in North America (up to 108F) and Europe (up to 42C).